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plasmatron - oh the poor down trodden villagers, when will it all end?... the fact is, when a film crew rolled into town and offered them cash for being in a movie, they all jumped at the chance... regardless of the language barrier, it is pretty obvious that Cohen et al were taking the piss, "I though they were just making a regular documentary with a 12" dildo..." just doesn't cut much mustard IMO... Nobody forced anyone to do anything against their will and they were paid a rate they accepted, and that was the end of it... suddenly once word got to them that the film was a success they decide they should have asked for a bigger slice of the pie, suddenly they're quaint innocent villagers who knew no better and were duped by the nasty rich comedian… cue storm in a teacup... The villagers certainly can't be too up in arms about embarrassing Kazakhstan considering they're not Kazakhs, they're Romanians and sure, they didn't exactly get paid Hollywood rates for their willing participation, but almost nobody gets all bent out of shape and sanctimonious about how much the kids who sewed their Nikes together or assembled their alarm clock got paid and whether or not they are being exploited… but "Kazakh villagers", oooh, well that's different...
Those villagers remind me of the old story of the "million dollar whore", but in reverse...
"Now be honest, Would you have sex with me for a million dollars" asks the man.
So the woman says "To be perfectly honest, for a million dollars I would, yes."
He says "Want to have sex with me for $20?"
She says "What do you think I am, some kind of whore?"
He says "We've already established that. Now we are just haggling over price."
Big Fluffy Matthew - This isn't the first time Borat has filmed a piece "back home". Why didn't anyone sue him the last time ? Where were the complaints then ?
Buttercup - Not much money in it 'til he hooked up with Fox, I suppose...
Huang Guang Chen - From that first article:
Quote:
The "moviefilm" by Sacha Baron Cohen, "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan," is playing well in American theaters. One can only applaud the humorist's talent, but the movie is entertaining only because the world is so unfamiliar with reality.
Perhaps that will change. The movie has already created unprecedented interest in Kazakhstan. Not only has Borat promoted our name and flag, he has also indirectly fueled a great wave of patriotism among my fellow citizens.
Please take an opportunity to visit us one day and hear our real language, not Borat's:
"Kazakhstanga kosh keliniz!" - "Welcome to Kazakhstan!"
And from that Sun piece posted earlier:
Quote:
A FOREIGN exchange firm is thanking Borat for sparking a surge in travel to Kazakhstan. Travelex has ordered £500,000 worth of its Tenge currency to cope with the boom and a spokesman said: “It’s down to Borat.”
Now if Kazakhstan could use this international focus to sort out its child prostitution issue, well it would all be good, right?
HG
bob - plasmatron wrote:
...... but almost nobody gets all bent out of shape and sanctimonious about how much the kids who sewed their Nikes together or assembled their alarm clock got paid and whether or not they are being exploited… but "Kazakh villagers", oooh, well that's different... [/url]
Where does this kind of cynicism come from? You know that there are child labourers working at slave wages around the world, and you know that because concerned individuals made sure that you knew it.
The Kazakh Villager skit that Cohen did added insult to the injury of being exploited financially by also involving the villagers in a production that made them appear ridiculous. If they knew they were being made to appear ridiculous but accpted the money anyway that is just an indication of how desperate they were for money. If they didn't realize fully how ridiculous they would be made to appear, and there is a good chance that they didn't, then they were tricked. In either case, or if the reality of it is some combination of the two scenarios, Cohen still comes off as a complete sleazeball bastard. You have to wonder too about the wisdom of making a film that insults a largely Muslim nation in the current climate of increasing hostilities. ooooh, but all that's OK I suppose because the self satisfied wankers in the West got a good laugh, right? The West "is" degenerate. What else would you call a people with no understanding whatsoever of a country but an urge to ridicule it irregardless.
Quote:
"Now be honest, Would you have sex with me for a million dollars" asks the man.
So the woman says "To be perfectly honest, for a million dollars I would, yes."
He says "Want to have sex with me for $20?"
She says "What do you think I am, some kind of whore?"
He says "We've already established that. Now we are just haggling over price."
OK, so practically everybody in the world is a whore because they would engage in a natural if, perhaps in this case repugnant act, for an opportunity to get an education, give their kids an education, take care of his parents in their old age, start a business, own a home.... Did you care at all to elaborate at all on that profound insight?
Huang Guang Chen - Have you seen the skit, bob?
Here are those poor souls being ruthlessly exploited and humiliated. Watch it, but only if you have the stomach for such obscene abuse, of course.
Fox - Hilarious.
bob - Buttercup wrote:
There were a few threads on this film before. No-one read them until the title '...tricks poor village actors'. That's quite interesting.
It is but I think perhaps not for the reason you think.
I love Ali G, have his DVD as a matter of fact. I saw the Borat clip and thought it was hilarious indeed, even went around recommending the movie. Fox can attest to this. There was something niggling away at me even then though and it was the title of this thread that brought it out. Watch the clip again, but this time instead of focusing on the charm and comedic talents of Cohen take a look at the faces of the people from Romania. Then come back and tell me those people had a clue what they were involved in. Betcha can't.
Now it turns out that not only did he ridicule an unsuspecting people but he paid them shit for the priveledge of being ridiculed. Major miscalculation on Cohens part and he looks like a right prick for it.
Buttercup - But he's been doing this sketch for years and years. The lawsuit comes out now there is a big American production company to sue.
Those villagers remind me of the old story of the "million dollar whore", but in reverse...
"Now be honest, Would you have sex with me for a million dollars" asks the man.
So the woman says "To be perfectly honest, for a million dollars I would, yes."
He says "Want to have sex with me for $20?"
She says "What do you think I am, some kind of whore?"
He says "We've already established that. Now we are just haggling over price."
Big Fluffy Matthew - This isn't the first time Borat has filmed a piece "back home". Why didn't anyone sue him the last time ? Where were the complaints then ?
Buttercup - Not much money in it 'til he hooked up with Fox, I suppose...
Huang Guang Chen - From that first article:
Quote:
The "moviefilm" by Sacha Baron Cohen, "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan," is playing well in American theaters. One can only applaud the humorist's talent, but the movie is entertaining only because the world is so unfamiliar with reality.
Perhaps that will change. The movie has already created unprecedented interest in Kazakhstan. Not only has Borat promoted our name and flag, he has also indirectly fueled a great wave of patriotism among my fellow citizens.
Please take an opportunity to visit us one day and hear our real language, not Borat's:
"Kazakhstanga kosh keliniz!" - "Welcome to Kazakhstan!"
And from that Sun piece posted earlier:
Quote:
A FOREIGN exchange firm is thanking Borat for sparking a surge in travel to Kazakhstan. Travelex has ordered £500,000 worth of its Tenge currency to cope with the boom and a spokesman said: “It’s down to Borat.”
Now if Kazakhstan could use this international focus to sort out its child prostitution issue, well it would all be good, right?
HG
bob - plasmatron wrote:
...... but almost nobody gets all bent out of shape and sanctimonious about how much the kids who sewed their Nikes together or assembled their alarm clock got paid and whether or not they are being exploited… but "Kazakh villagers", oooh, well that's different... [/url]
Where does this kind of cynicism come from? You know that there are child labourers working at slave wages around the world, and you know that because concerned individuals made sure that you knew it.
The Kazakh Villager skit that Cohen did added insult to the injury of being exploited financially by also involving the villagers in a production that made them appear ridiculous. If they knew they were being made to appear ridiculous but accpted the money anyway that is just an indication of how desperate they were for money. If they didn't realize fully how ridiculous they would be made to appear, and there is a good chance that they didn't, then they were tricked. In either case, or if the reality of it is some combination of the two scenarios, Cohen still comes off as a complete sleazeball bastard. You have to wonder too about the wisdom of making a film that insults a largely Muslim nation in the current climate of increasing hostilities. ooooh, but all that's OK I suppose because the self satisfied wankers in the West got a good laugh, right? The West "is" degenerate. What else would you call a people with no understanding whatsoever of a country but an urge to ridicule it irregardless.
Quote:
"Now be honest, Would you have sex with me for a million dollars" asks the man.
So the woman says "To be perfectly honest, for a million dollars I would, yes."
He says "Want to have sex with me for $20?"
She says "What do you think I am, some kind of whore?"
He says "We've already established that. Now we are just haggling over price."
OK, so practically everybody in the world is a whore because they would engage in a natural if, perhaps in this case repugnant act, for an opportunity to get an education, give their kids an education, take care of his parents in their old age, start a business, own a home.... Did you care at all to elaborate at all on that profound insight?
Huang Guang Chen - Have you seen the skit, bob?
Here are those poor souls being ruthlessly exploited and humiliated. Watch it, but only if you have the stomach for such obscene abuse, of course.
Fox - Hilarious.
bob - Buttercup wrote:
There were a few threads on this film before. No-one read them until the title '...tricks poor village actors'. That's quite interesting.
It is but I think perhaps not for the reason you think.
I love Ali G, have his DVD as a matter of fact. I saw the Borat clip and thought it was hilarious indeed, even went around recommending the movie. Fox can attest to this. There was something niggling away at me even then though and it was the title of this thread that brought it out. Watch the clip again, but this time instead of focusing on the charm and comedic talents of Cohen take a look at the faces of the people from Romania. Then come back and tell me those people had a clue what they were involved in. Betcha can't.
Now it turns out that not only did he ridicule an unsuspecting people but he paid them shit for the priveledge of being ridiculed. Major miscalculation on Cohens part and he looks like a right prick for it.
Buttercup - But he's been doing this sketch for years and years. The lawsuit comes out now there is a big American production company to sue.
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