passion pg6

bob - From the American Jewish Commitee

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There is no one story of Jesus' crucifiction and resurection. The four gospels are not in agreement on many details of the events leading to the crucifixion nor do they concur on the role jews played.... To present this story in a way that presents jews in a most derogatory light is a choice, not a fact and not the truth . We do clearly know that the Romans ruled the land of Israel, that they alone were responsible for the life and death of its inhabitants, that Jesus was a Jew whose preaching fit naturally into the variety of Jewish life, and that his disciples initially found a home preaching in synagogues....... the main story line puts the primary responsibility for the death of Jesus on the Jewish cabal led by Caiaphas (the Jewish high priest). This is contrary to the recent Catholic documents and modern biblical scholarship.

Namahottie - I know that i am to abide by the rules of F.com and call out the posts not the poster, but Bob I really feel as though you are crossing the line a bit to often. And without responsiblity.

One thing that I've come to dislike the most about discussions on these boards,especially in the IP forum, is that if one presents a strong arguement, they don't back it up with their own deductions of the situation but rather with other published views. I don't give a rat's ass of some else's view when you are arguing your point. I care about your convictions.

bob - My point is that the movie is a lying sack of shit and should be regarded as such. Hitler loved passion plays dontcha know?

namahottie - I know that I am to abide by the rules of F.com and call out the posts not the poster, but Bob I really feel as though you are crossing the line a bit to often. And without responsiblity.


bob - I think I am one of the most thoughtful, responsible people on this site and I am sure that I have been so far in this thread.

namahottie - One thing that I've come to dislike the most about discussions on these boards,especially in the IP forum, is that if one presents a strong arguement, they don't back it up with their own deductions of the situation but rather with other published views. I don't give a rat's ass of some else's view when you are arguing your point. I care about your convictions.


bob - Deductions - Inferring of particular instances from a general law or principle. Oxford.

OK hows about this for a deduction. Passion plays have been used for centuries to inflame passions for what was very likely just one brilliant, historically very well placed schizophrenic's suicide. In the process of doing this they (the passion plays) have characterized the Jewish people unfairly and inflamed hatred against them, something Jesus would never have condoned. The Passion of the Christ is yet one more example of the general rule that, in the west, Jewish people are scapegoated.

You asked about my convictions. Well one of my convictions is that muddleheaded movie stars such as Mel Gibson should not be able to exert a cultural influence dispropotionate to their wisdom or inteligence. Many churches attended this movie as a congregation and according to most reports were much impressed by the film. If even one of those knuckleheads finds this site and sees the light I will consider that a minor victory.

Satellite TV - nammahottie wrote: but I choose to focus on Christ's work. Which is to love no matter what. I care about your convictions.


So you love with Bob and forgive him for any offense you think he caused you Bob's convictions on this film are pretty clear is you ask me.

All this over a simple film and how we all differently interpret the film. I didn't see it as an attack on Judaism or Jews. But then again I'm not Jewish so perhaps I don't understand what their agenda is.


bob - I didn't say that you and nammahottie were having a bitch fest. She said that you and I were having a bitch fest. Anyway...

I am not your detractor I am a person who happens to believe that film in general and movies in particular are the most influential art form that has ever existed. They reach more people than any other art form and they do so with tremendous impact. If you agree with that then perhaps you will agree that some of them need to be examined very closely for the sort of reality they convey. The Birth of the Christ is definitely one of those movies.

Satellite TV - Bob said: I didn't say that you and nammahottie were having a bitch fest. She said that you and I were having a bitch fest. Anyway...



My apologies Bob I was trying to Quote Namahottie....